Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. Paramount+'s Star Trek: Discovery is the flagship of the modern-day Star Trek television franchise, premiering in 2017 and about to launch its fourth season on November 18. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Thats kind of what I was playing with. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Where is this? Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Makes sense. What do you think it looks like? Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Just underused. I found him quite annoying, myself. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Sorry TM, its MY fault! The character. Many smoke to keep the weight off. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Right! (80's for ya) You are always very insightful. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. I did, though. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Loved that show, so did my wife. In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Book is Han Solo. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. I agree! I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. However, we do know that David Mack does. Have you ever read those? Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. She is a real girl. Overcome her issues. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Just mentioning few of their values. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? It seems like people like her say: this is me. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. We never saw her effort to become that person. Anyway it was just a thought. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. Ive never liked Tilly. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. She hopped over those 900 years. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. (laughs). But how the women look?! We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. Every woman is very beautiful. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). By: TrekMovie.com Staff Even Picard has his own show. Tons do, yes. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Its so brutal. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. They basically wrote her off the show! The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. I see them as similar. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. | March 22, 2022 | You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. But the characters are pitch perfect. And Tilly is the Trekkie. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. And others opinions dont factor in. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships All are different. That will be the one I read first! If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Well, Renos really more engineering. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Please dont ban me!). Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. I really liked her in the first season. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. She cant control her weight. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . Its sci-fi, brah. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. 1:15. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Thats undeniable. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? Tilly is justannoying. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. By being visible on your TV screen? So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Tillys a fantastic character. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show.
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