Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. There you can see exactly what it takes to be an average amateur golfer. Would bending it serve the same result? Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" JavaScript is disabled. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). What the heck are they were talking about? Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. Feel free to browse around and see if anything catches your eye! Clear editor. I know it will increase the bounce. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. Might actually help on hard ground. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. I think that makes a difference. Thanks for everybody for your help! I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids. Thank you for such an eye opening article. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. For this discussion, lets define proficiency as the level where you can reasonably expect to move the ball around the course efficiently and consistently enough to shoot 90 or better, though your own goals might be somewhere lower. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. As far as lofts for amateurs go, I feel like long irons have to little difference between them. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Featured Section: Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. Best Shaft For Wedges, Need A New Golf Glove? Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Privacy Policy Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. If so why mess with perfection. I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. Thanks for the insight! Where Can You Get Your Lie Angle Adjusted, Should You Use Heavier Shafts in Wedges? A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. Your email address will not be published. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 Sounds like it's a long iron. So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. I'm not so much of a digger with long irons, and I thought about getting my rogue 5i bent a degree stronger and not carry a 4. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. I did this to reduce the spin rate. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. And yes it is common to not have an iron longer than 6 or 5 for some of these guys because they carry them all the same distance, and then hybrids come into play. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . Thanks! Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! ProV1x-mostly. Best of luck.Chuck. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. You will see it often when a pro, for example, will eliminate his 4 iron from the set and they may strengthen their 5 iron a degree or two and weaken their 3 iron a degree or two to even out the gaps. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. You cannot paste images directly. The speed of putts is crucial. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. Pasted as rich text. VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. on tight fairways. (more on this down below). Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. I completely agree with this! i realize the distance and ball flight. . If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? I did this several years ago and it ended up being quite expensive, so dont be me and order your custom set all at once! Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. I will only add that I don't see what the benefit would be to strengthening loft. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the c, Intrigued by your debate, I did a little virtual bending experiment with a Taylormade UDI in Photoshop. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. By Great article! If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. Location. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. pic.twitter.com/dNhfPEcR4F https://t.co/Talvwe7Kng. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] This also gives me room for more wedges. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. weight removed), Ball:1. There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Good point. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. PING Anser 4 Hybrid Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Ordering & Information Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. 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