Thanks for your help. Good job on you! Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Is it more bulky? 41 Rem Mag 35,000 I use 3.2 gr Bullseye to push a 125 gr cast along at 750 - 775 fps in the 38 SPL from 5 and 6" barreled revolvers. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. Also some WSF. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? 750-850fps. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. I can shoot this load at speeds I cant normally reach with .45. more weight than the similar size CA .44 Bulldog, were available, a lot more people would also like the .44 spl. SWC, 160 gr. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. Midway has it in stock. With the powders you listed I would try Bullseye, 231, and Unique in that order. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. 4.0 gr. Your link has been automatically embedded. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. I just dont like practicing with it. Javascript is required. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. I was looking through the Lyman 49th edition reloading manual and see the bullets you are talking about. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. You can fit 7.1gr of powder under the 125gn JHP bullet? For best accuracy in slow fire shooting, you may want to raise gun before every shot. (bullseyeforum.net). Especially if you reload. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. Any pistol competitions yet? . My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. Start conservative if you wish. 110gr JHP! The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. Traditionally, the max SAAMI pressures were: 38 S&W 14,500 defensive ammo. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. Pasted as rich text. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. But one classic target load is not far behind the .38 wadcutter in its own reputation with target shooters: a 200-grain semiwadcutter bottling up 4.6 grains of Bullseye. Have you all found different seat depths to work better than what's in the manual? Thank you for the article. Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum (because no 6-inch Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver was on hand). That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. 2 and No. Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. It doesnt appear like there is much of an advantage in using WST with lighter weight bullets. S&W M637-2 2" barrel Nickle cases look pretty but dont seem to take the number of resizings that plain brass cases do. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. Would you like to react to this message? 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes Beginners to shooting can use a full size revolver or their carry gun with light to mild loads to become confident and familiar with marksmanship and trigger control. 11/2/2022. want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! As I said I am not familiar with your frame and suspect it is one of the latest models out by Smith. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . My Ruger LCR .357 Magnum is pleasant to shoot even with full pressure loads. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. L6: 1.550 inch = 39.37 mm Barrel Length : 2.0 inch = 50.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon HP38 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. 38 spl.s. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. You cannot paste images directly. I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. Power Pistol won't work for me. Ok, will the bullet easily pass thru the cylinder throat, if so, you need the next larger size bullet dia. 1.) I stopped handloading around 1985, so Im not certain how much technology has changed in that area, but in general it sounds like our experiences are similar. I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. LOL. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. Accurates No. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. And this is a guy who normally trusted nothing but a 45 acp. 38 Special +P 18,500 You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. I can not be held responsible for. We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. Hmm. This is not loaded 9mm ammo. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. The Model 19 is fine with .38s but mildly uncomfortable with .357s. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. I dunno. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. Coming in 30 grains lighter and 80 fps slower than hardball, as well as being lead rather than jacketed, the 200/4.6 SWC is amazingly soft. I am way shy of 70 years old and I love me some .38 Special. If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. I use 3 gr. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. Both are excellent fight stoppers. I load these bullets to the edge of the shoulder and use anywhere from 3-4 grains of TB. Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) Warning! I believe this particular bullet is meant for the 9mm,but drops at 358. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. I've been reading about this. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! Boolit Grand Master. This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. Most of these are at the upper end. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? Any clues for powder and starting loads???? Your email address will not be published. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Where many shooters quickly tire of even standard-pressure .38 in the little five-shooters, the wadcutter invites cylinder after cylinder of practice. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. 4.) My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. ( customer reviews) $ 10.69 - $ 246.00. No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. I guess its out of production now- I havent seen it (or heard of it) in years. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. Enter 38 Special. Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! Im new to loading the 38 for accuracy, but the biggest issue I found with case length is your crimp. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. 32 S&W Long 15,000 Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. Does anyone have any data. I have two editions of it from different years that have that data. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. There are many fun uses for buckshot. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. 3.) I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. It'll look funky, but it will shoot. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. Hornady 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. 4.2 gr. Ive been reloading and shooting for over 40 years and love revolvers but 90% of the time my carry gun is a Sig 365 with a 12 round mag and a spare. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. No more lead in the barrel or on my hands. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. Unlike the author, I did *not* keep records, I cant even imagine how many rounds I loaded, almost 100% .357 magnum, since that was all I shot. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. I have tried several different grips before finding the one that worked for me. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. I.E. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. Reloading .44 Spl. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. Even at hot .44 mag velocities my Super Redhawk has shiny bore with zero leading. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. looks like today. I have often thought about reloading .357 brass to .38 special velocities to get around that, but have just never decided to actually do it. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. 110gr JHP! I'm looking for some recipes for 38 special for a 125 grain copper plated (like Berry's) flat point bullet using Unique, Bullseye, or W231. YMMV. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. These are light and easy to shoot. WST is less dense than BE. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. Be careful about published sources (and doubly so about internet sources), regarding maximum loads for the 38 special. I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. But not too tough. .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only). Any discussion of Bullseye is incomplete without mentioning a few of the downsides. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Thats not quite how that works. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. . But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. The .38 Special's MAP is 17,000 psi, whereas for the .38 Special +P it is 20,000 psi. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. Read my very long thread about "DR loads that don't suck". I was hoping I could use this combo to make use of available components. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. Horrible 5-12" groups at 25 yds. 2, No. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 Like the author said, I consider it a garbage disposal round as you can load it with almost anything with good results. Power Pistols works well in short auto cartridges and higher pressure cartridges but no so well with a 158 grain bullets in 38 Special. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! Yeah no. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. Your email address will not be published. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME TRIMMING THE BRASS. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HP-XTP or FP-XTP, Hornady FP-Cowboy, Hornady HBWC, Hornady SWC-HP, SWC or LRN. Load with 38 S&W data. Lucky me. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. For those folks shooting a lot of lead bullets, invest in a Lewis lead remover. I would add that the firearm mentioned, a Model 27 S&W revolver is a very durable gun, intended for the hotter loading of .357 Magnum. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. The trigger has smoothed out over time. Interesting. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. 3.8 gr. Oh, I practice with it. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. . Wife handled it with no problem, those 5 Super Vel had been in the gun probably over 5 years by then, she bought it to CARRY, not to shoot, if she needed to fire it to save her life it would be fine. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. You have entered an incorrect email address! When I say that theres rarely a wrong way to do it, I really mean it. Also, too light loads don't allow the bullet to seal the gases causing problems. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. Yes, I had no issues with the 38 SPL, but the 32 is just more FUN- especially when I get seven shots of it in a revolver the size of J frame! Load it in 38 Special dies. 5.) ,I looked at Speer data, nothing there. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. revolver, with a 3 barrel, and 4 6 oz. in a belt holster at 4:00. Damn. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. Which left me with the last two. I first started reloading 40+ years ago at a Lee Loader in .38 Special for a brand new Smith & Wesson Model 66 I had just purchased. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. I may have to rethink my plan. 2 and No. I like the smell of Bullseye, dont mind wiping the handguns down after a range day, and the dark soot that accumulates on my support hand when shooting wheelguns in particular just reminds me to wash up. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. 9.) Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. (This is prevalent among most aftermarket designs- they are smallest in the longest, strongest finger area, and largest at the bottom pinkie area.). Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. In 38/357 they don't list 105 gr bullets, but the do list 90's and 125's. Easy enough to extrapolate for a 105 grain . Home About Partners Contact. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. These loads are for my wife's revolver. Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets.
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