The 5.4 FAQ talks about the a 5.4 DOHC swap. You may also have to move pins within connectors if you have mismatched harnesses, or if you are trying to combine harness connectors. A simple error code reader can be had for little cost at most auto parts stores. With the introduction of the EEC-V system in 1994 came the OBDII (On-Board Diagnostic II) set of standardized error codes, which are still in use as of this writing. The biggest hurtle youll have is tuning really and having to lock out vct makes the 3v swap pointless in my opinion. (Photo Courtesy HPT). "We also offer complete wiring systems for the 2005 to 2009 Mustang GT 3-valve 4.6 engine and manual transmission." They have an automatic version as well. There are three levels of communication with the PCM, and these three levels require three different tools. My boys are getting to the driving age and I think it would be a great project to get them involved with and get their minds working. For the later throttle-by-wire engines, Ford has developed a control pack that uses a stock-style Ford computer and a plug-and-play wiring harness that controls just the engine. When your computer sets an error code, it records exactly what was happening when the error occurred. Go here to check out what weve been up to. Regular price $220 View. Not unpossible just gigantic enough to make the "Street Rod" standalone PCM far worth the $1100. 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The difference between Explorer and Mustang 3V is the intake and throttle body. This pro street 1967 coupe is being fitted with the still popular 20032004 Cobra Terminator engine. or some sort of power adder. Basically this thread is only about a higher compression engine wich usually net a 15% gain for a full point of compression bump so we are even farther in hp gain than we expected with the 3v heads swap. 5.4s were made (in my opinion) to have 4V heads on them (or TFS heads, now go finish your build bondfreak!) A second oval grommet from a salvage yard harness seals the harness as it passes through the firewall. The early 2005 2006 engines require a modification to the wiring harness to work with the control pack. As a result, the old mechanical fuel pressure regulator and fuel tank return line were eliminated. With the introduction of the Ford Control Pack, it has taken over as the best and easiest-to-use computer control system. For the later VCT engines, the Ford Control Pack will also control the variable cam timing. From 0cc to -20cc dish piston, if your cams (aftermarket) have too much duration/lift is when notche. Ford frequently changed them, even within model years. We'll send you raw engine tech articles, news, features, and videos every week from EngineLabs. Speed density systems use on-board fuel curves and data to calculate the best operating conditions. But as of now it's guesstamates and math, until some one does it. I was just going to have a cam sprocket machined for the driver cam with the pip on it, a crank trigger wheel for the front and just use the engine harness PCM and sensors from the 4.6l that originally came in the car. Nuff said. Some manufacturers still sell speed density systems, and they use a Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor to measure the pressure inside the intake manifold. You need to have some experience in wiring and making proper connections, and these aftermarket harnesses only control the engine and, if equipped, the transmission, and may not be capable of running any other components from your donor car. Error codes are primarily usedfor emissions issues, and when your PCM senses a problem, it stores a DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) and turns on the check engine light on the dash. An accelerator pedal that uses a potentiometer to identify the position of the pedal is matched to the throttle control. The engine and transmission were set back about 4 inches to help with the clearance of the stock Eaton-style supercharger snout, as this build will use a stock 1967 turn-signal hood. You can just machine an adapter plate to use a standard modular cable-actuated dual bore throttle body (ie Cobra/Mach/MM) instead for pre 05 panthers, and fab a small bracket to mount the cables. All other intake will be truck intake that will be sticking out of the hood. Your tuner may be able to help you program around this. Hi guys, yesterday my engine decided that 182,xxx miles was enough and developed a rod knock, i drained the oil today and yep, all glittery and such. In a nut shell, not all 4.6L engines are built the same. You can certainly purchase a programmer and work with tuning your vehicle, but there is a learning curve to becoming adept with tuners. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. but later on in the months I decided to just work with what I have already. Make the donor look like the original (electrically). The newer the computer and the greater the number of sensors, the more information there is available. For a nice primer on hopping-up Mod Motors from our sister publication EngineLabs, go here. Why not just use a 3v + manual + pcm out of a mustang? Cookie Policy - What this does is that it allows you to swap a 4.6 3V from a wrecking yard ($2K engine along o. Next in the firing order is Cylinder #3, located on the same side. If you want to drop a Blue Oval Mod Motor into your Mustang, T-Bird, or Rod and keep it all FoMoCo, Ron Francis Wiring has you covered. The sensor on the left is from a mid-1980s 5.0 Mustang, but the one on the right is from a GM application and is used on most aftermarket speed density systems. It can be set up for a factory returnless fuel system or an aftermarket fuel pump with return line. i was told to buy an, lsittingbull thanks for replying, sorry no updates except I have cut 5 inches and shortened my crown vic. Manage Preferences - With the 4.6L swap you are going to need to make motor mounts or purchase some aftermarket ones, get a high pressure fuel pump and all the plumbing that goes with it, an external transmission cooler as the one in the radiator is not good enough for the AODE/4R70W/4R75W family of transmission, a remote oil filter base as the current filter will The round port with the plug just above the oil fill is the servo for the Variable Camshaft Timing (VCT). I have a Crown Vic fetish and can tell you all the difference between them. Generated in 0.038 seconds in which 0.013 seconds were spent on a total of 15 queries. With more and more information being stored by the computer systems, one thing that comes in handy is the freeze frame data. Zlib compression enabled. The PCM won't be able to tell the difference between the old and new. i started a project my 03 crown vic i paid 1100 bucks for it at an auction. Non-supercharged engines can mount over the front axle if desired. I believe it's a 7mm socket scree head and unplug it and pull it out. The only real advantage the automatic has over a manual is driveability for extreme stop and go traffic and starting uphill, but with careful footwork it's not a big deal with a manual. Mosley tribes Lyndel . Here is a brief overview of the different types of computers and how they work. (Photo Courtesy SCT). New Daily 2016 Dodge Charger R/T Road and track, purchase with 16K now 23K after 3 months. Other services are available for online wiring and diagnostics. Throttle Bodies. Ford also introduced a returnless fuel system for which the PCM regulated fuel pressure. The long blacks are the SAME. Only car that came with more than two valves was the Marauder which had a 4v. My car in its current state makes 215hp? Unless you are a wizard with fuel curves and shift points, you will be working closely with a tuner, and they will probably use the tuner they are most comfortable using (see Chapter 10). That's the cam phasing + 6 speed auto. Imo its not worth it unless you get the frpp 3v swap kit and even then youre only at 300hp or so at the crank. See more. Many aftermarket computers cannot control the variable timing, and the camshafts have to be locked down. Speed density is still used by some aftermarket systems due to its ability to be tuned without having to change the mass air meter. 02 Gt Oxford White, 07 Gt Tungsten Grey, 17 Gt Black, 87 Mercury Grand Marquis, 09 P71 Black. WIth the mechanical work wrapped in the shop, Matt strapped her down to the rollers to get dialed in by Vlad via HP Tuners. The 4.6 mustang makes 300. The TorqShift is A LOT larger. Make sure you have a good, professional multimeter, quality crimp tools for general connections, and the proper pin insertion/removal tool for your job. The latest systems cannot only give you the basic error codes, but can log information on the engine and systems when an error occurs, provide real-time running information on the performance of the engine, and be programmed over the Internet for engine and drivetrain improvements for both performance and efficiency. Brand New. Ford made constant improvements to the engines and controls throughout the years, and along with the base computer, the control systems also changed. Fatstang you didnt have to get your pistons notched? The 6.2 F-150 Raptor and truck engine uses SOHC heads on the taller block. This police car unit is very big and difficult to use in a swap due to the speedometer calibration system. The following are brief synopses of the Ford computer systems: The EEC-IV computer was installed on the earliest modular engines in full-size Ford cars. This car will be fitted with the T-56 6-speed and Cobra independent rear suspension. see I don't know how the PCM works or how it turns on at first that's why I just asked about using a 3V control pack from ford. the 3v computer is just a computer it doesnt know if the engine has 2v 3v or 4v it just calculates the air and fuel. Several versions of the EEC-V system were developed and installed on Ford vehicles. The newer the engine, the more difficult it is to use a factory system. VI-VCT used on the Coyote engines does the same for the exhaust cam and eliminates the need for an EGR system and improves emissions. so if they are canceling the variable timing it will make less than 300 hp, the variable timing is the key to make 300 hp . Nope. With the radiator and intercooler plumbing, the empty space in front of the engine goes away very fast. This harness contains wiring to the MAFS, Cooling fans, HEGOs, etc as well as the critical power and ground leads. I cant see it being much different than using a teksid block with 2v heads. Long blocks seem to be the same, as usual since Ford likes to stamp out the same thing to put in as many vehicles as possible. Contact Us - Free shipping. Ford also changes the wire locations in the connectors. The results? The DTC follows the industry standard OBDII numbering system. Programming the computer is very easy and the wiring from the donor Cobra can be used. Using the original harness allows you to run options such as the original ABS unit from the 2003 Cobra. valve train. With 390 hp, the 20032004 Terminator engines continue to be a popular option when making a modular engine conversion. This information is useful not only for drag racers with laptops; familiarity with the capabilities of your engines computer system and ways to optimize your engine swap will help you meet the goals for your project. Most error codes are for emissions systems, but there are codes assigned to manufacturer specific problems. All Ford modular engines come with mass air fuel injection systems from the factory. But it may prove more challenging as Ford continues to improve its security systems. The 2003 Cobra engine puts out 390 hp in stock form. 397.39whp & 374.19lbft! Black_Chrome: If only I had a mercOh wait, its still sitting out at the farm frown "This holiday season give that special woman in your life something she deserves. For the 2005 to 2009 Ford Mustang 3-Valve 4.6 V8 Modular Engine with manual transmission, they have you covered here as well. The biggest reason for plug and play is the car is at my brother's 1200 miles away in Montana. You can choose between an aftermarket or the factory system that originally came with your engine. i called around asking about what computer i should use, i have been told to use the FRPP 3.V kit for the 6.2 in my crown vic and have it calibrated for my engine, the heads will be stock no cnc work. Follow the recommendations in this chapter to select the best computer and wiring system for your engine. So that got me thinking; Aftermarket heads for the 2v are very expensive, but I can get a set of 3v heads for cheap, and with a little cleanup and a cam phaser lockout, I could have a better flowing head. Note how far back the engine is placed. He currently owns a '95 Corvette, '76 Cadillac Seville, '99 LS1 Trans Am and big old Ford Van. Using the 2003 Cobra hydroboost also aids in moving the engine back to the firewall. If you can't figure out which one you're looking at count the cam cover bolts. Oh ok good to know, thats a route I might go if my motor blows up lol or just go with a 3v swap with the 3v ecu and everything. i bought a 6.2l short block and heads for it. The factory supercharged 2003 Cobra engine uses a special dual fuel pump to handle the extra fuel needs. why not use the computer and harness from the 6.2? Here are some of the bigger hurdles to consider if using a Ford wiring harness and computer. I was just interested in finding out if anyone has given this a try? If you get a 3V computer, you can run the VVT and shut up these nay-sayers. A 5.4 should bolt in right in place of the 4.6. The major advantage is vct and Im not sure if its worth it. Thanks to Chevyguy who reviled me that Ford Racing has a Control Pack that allows easy installation of a 4.6 3V (300hp stock or 350hp with cams) engine into a vehicle with a manual transmission. Programmers were first told that PATS was hard-wired into the computer, but this turned out to be not true or they were able to get around it. Generated in 0.114 seconds in which 0.042 seconds were spent on a total of 16 queries. 3v conversion is not possible at the time, the junkyard already sold the pcm and wiring harness. Whether you prefer a physical book. There are low profile aftermarket aluminum manifolds for . A big change in fuel injection or camshafts may mean that a larger MAF meter is required, and the system cant be tuned without changing several items at once. OBDII rules dictate a standard set of PIDs that all scan tools can read; Ford has some proprietary ones that may or may not be readable by non-Ford scan tools. http://www.mylrs.com/blogs/lrs/archive/2009/01/12/Ford-Racing-4.6L-3-Valve-Fox-Body-Swap-Part-1.aspx, http://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/398547-5-4-3v-swap-01-finally.html, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.5.9. Typical installations do not use all the wiring from a factory harness, and to save space and weight you will be pulling some wires out of the harness. She could easily make a killer sleeper car. Make sure that the system you choose is legal. Ford Crown Vic, Mercury Marauder, Grand Marquis, Finally 4.6 3V swap made easy | Modular High Performance | Crownvic.net. You have several aftermarket systems to choose from, but the choice boils down to three different types: Mass Air Flow, Speed Density, and Alpha-N. Some sell pre-programmed tunes based on experience, but specific tunes are generally left to the experts. Mass air systems do not require many fuel curve tables and can calculate the most efficient ratio on the fly. The wires wrap around the heater box and the secondary connectors are part of the under-dash wiring. Now the pistons are different and I believe won't allow the use of 2v heads. While many industry names have been used to describe the computer that controls the engine, Ford refers to its system as the Powertrain Control Module or PCM. Most diagnostic tools now have ports to talk to computers and the Internet for even more capabilities. com). Dec 30, 2015 3v conversion is not possible at the time, the junkyard already sold the pcm and wiring harness. looks really good. If you use a factory Ford computer and harness, make sure you acquire or have all the necessary parts, including sensors, boxes that bolt to the firewall, etc. Fuel injectors, fuel rail. Generated in 0.079 seconds in which 0.030 seconds were spent on a total of 16 queries. Will it bolt up to my transmission? Im looking to do the same setup with a 6.2 in a crown vic..Now A question. A programmer manufacturer can give you a list of tuners in your area, or you can work with one over the Internet. Both types have benefits and drawbacks. This function can test whether a sensor or switch is turning on or off, can measure the percentage of sensor in use, or the voltage reading of the sensor.
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