And if you read June one of the comments I believe she really got it right. Does the Bible mention the term moral failing? Most here know of my desire to minister to pastors who have fallen, and God has allowed me to reach out in the past as names where brought to me. The point is that sin is a type of adultery against God, if we are the bride of Christ, lying, lust cheating or anything that puts something in front of Christ is an adultery because it violates that covenant. I hope you all dont choke on these morsels of gossip. This is bad for the pastor, bad for the general congregation. He had a staff of 13. Not one of us is perfect, which is why we are to put our faith in the Lord, not in man. Barbara wrote: The following exposes present facts about John Macarthur that he needed to know and we tried to explain, but to no avail. Yes or no. The core issue is a sense of self oriented privilege that arises from the prestige and power. And his sermons have been the same blame the Christian, God is blameless.. stop whining sermons.. for what , 20 years? I love God and Jesus so much that is why I feel and pray the best for Bob Coy and his family. It was not readily available. By the end of that harrowing call on August 20, 2015, police knew the accused predator was no ordinary suspect. Here is a synopsis of the core beliefs that Coral Ridge list on their website. Looks like the night shift worked some OT last night.. PS He always said that he didnt want to turn anyone away. I know nothing more then that he got caught. They were about 630 employees last count. In the meantime, I trust we will mourn and pray for a fallen brother. He is not who he himself thinks he is. Some times I come in so late that I just leave again. Lorenzo #483. I agree, lets drop the rocks and pray for Pastor Bob and his family. A dear friends daughter became a Coy-ite while pursuing a degree in the Ft. Lauderdale area, and my friend jumped on the bandwagon after visiting CC during a trip down there. in fact the lamb is lying with the lion, its to be taken spiritually. Others have met as well so we are a bit of a family although not admired by all. I have a feeling there are many surrounding churches that are getting ready for the mass Exodus out of CCFL. But with false doctrine he said, But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray., If I had to choose between a repentant Bob Coy or even a Moses model pastor teaching correct doctrine or someone who is morally correct under a board that makes the decisions for the church, and yet teaching false doctrine like that Jesus only died for the Christians and not for the whole world, that there is no free will involved in salvation, when the Bible continually tells us that there is, and when part of their foundation is replacement theology, that is, that the church has replaced Israel and that the tribulation has already happened, then give me the Moses model pastor, sometimes and in many cases we have to choose the lesser of the two evils, as Jesus said, The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. He didnt say stop hearing them. Actually that is not in the Bible a humorous mistake for a literalist. and also, after reading the article in Charisma, The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him .. uh, what about for the congregation?????? What did we get when we were lied about, shunned by others who were too loyal to even ask what happened to us and raked over the hot coals by him and his leadership? "When Pastor Bob left, people definitely left too because they wanted to follow him or because they were just hurt," says Healy, the longtime church member. Lets come together as a body and shame the devil. What do you wish to accomplish with this? I understand giving Bob grace. So, in this regard bravo to this church. I pray that Bob Coy hasnt left decades of bodies in his wake, and I will be praying for them (nameless as they may be to me) and for his church and family to recover. Have you surveyed all men to know that I am the only one. However, on mans side if Bob Coy were married to my sister, things would be different. If true that absolutely stuns me. Is free will not involved in our salvation? OK, then dont tempt them by giving them too much power and authority. I figure that is why you are now circling your wagon around Coy. The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him through the process of full repentance, cleansing and restoration, the statement reads. Kassanndra Cantrell a lady from Tacoma, Washington, disappeared in 2020 without leaving behind much evidence. That is precisely what I was working my way to. With that we end another day of broadcasting. The regulars here are great people. MLD, you have the right of it. THAT pastor contacted the board. http://thisisnthappiness.com/post/78354908268/nothing. Daughter, We live in Coral Springs and have attended some of the more conservative churches in the area Reformed Baptist, Anabaptist and a John Macarthur affiliated church. Is this how you interpret scripture, treat those who disagree with you with mocking barbs? Who is his congregation? MLD? So, how much is Bob Coy worth at the age of 66 years old? You will have new people to blame for the fact that your pastor couldnt keep his pants on. "We need to stop him. Im not here to parrot press releases. I honestly applaud you. thus becoming co dependent on the pastor for their fresh word rather than studying the word themselves. Why was he bound and have we seen the results of that binding? His idea was a huge hit, one of the first in a wave that has become known as the Jesus movement. So we have to have a discussion on the subject: What exactly is church? Lets look 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit do angels have hands? 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS. The internet and increased availability of sexual content, both in the explosion of adult entertainment and media in general has really opened the door to men (and boys and women and girls) to be exposed to so much. My information is that he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of coming back. There are very few doctrinal stances in Protestantism that I find more odious than your free grace doctrines and the pre trib rapture stuff. This is what is so frustrating to me. Money, Power and Sex: Mamon, Mars and Aphrodite. Jeff Payne, a veteran investigator in the usually sleepy, affluent suburb of 120,000. High profile and untouchable positions can only lead to catastrophic collapse like this. Adultery is a common thread throughout the 66 books. Lets go after Bob and not let him go from our love in Christ! One more thing, Lorenzo, thats a pretty good article. Wont mention names. But two weeks after his surprise resignation, Assistant Pastor Chet Lowe filled Coy's followers in on what had happened. She subsequently said she does not want the abuse made public and even asked for the record to be destroyed, though she was informed that that would be against the law. I have respected his request. Even in the chemically altered '70s music business, Coy's appetites were too voracious. We can all get through this. Ive listened to Tullian on Moody and he tries to imitate Paul Washer too much for my taste. Revelation is mixed with both things fulfilled and things unfolding. They dealt with BC finally, but apparently (alleged) child abusers can be overlooked. ", "I haven't prayed enough for my Pastor Bob and his family," Beth Graber wrote. Gary #633. We should have stoned that adulterer. The support for the church was standing room only and out the door but the city still said no and actually took offence to the overwhelming turnout. None of us are in a position to throw stones, judge, or cast aspersions upon or condemn himonly God can. No thats not a fulfillment of prophecy, that was just those pesky Zionists, who made that happen, no it wasnt God fulfilling his word and the prophecies in the O.T concerning Israel. Did not know he was unrepentant. So if the message was right the hearing and application of that message will produce the right fruit! both started their careers in his shop. It could very well be that Coy had them take his stuff down, not the other way around. I do wish he had faced the congregation, it would be helpful in the cleansing and restoration process, besides Ive seen him hold people accountable publicly and so should he but thats water under the bridge. In Coy's case, Bailey made a relatively unusual ruling: All financial documents would be kept secret. Unfortunately, many accountability relationships fail for a variety of reasons. His attorneys, meanwhile, persuaded a judge with deep Republican ties to seal the ex-pastor's divorce file to protect Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale from scrutiny. Not one of us is truly living a life of purityand are struggling with some kind of sin. Tell me why you need to be the first w news rather than respecting the church body and unity of faith and respecting that as a congregation, we need to be together to receive our family update. Share. Others stayed in Smith's original system. Youre just twisting Acts 2 in the same way. How is it bogus? The Holy Spirit is still at work. Calvinism and dominionism are two different things. Vince couldnt stop pondering the hypothetical. One problem with doing research, particularly through the internet search engines, is that you will find whatever you are looking for. , Matthew 24:15 when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand. November 14, 2017 Huge crowds hung on his every word. I am not too sure he wanted a small group of believers because the building kept getting larger to accommodate all that were being brought in. For the gates of hell will not prevail against my church, thus saith The Lord! "There could be other victims out there," says Michael Newnham, an Oregon-based pastor who runs a blog critical of Calvary Chapel. It must be ok to allow our men to struggle with viewing women in tight clothes, low-neck shirts, or high skirts. I have judged no man here, in fact I am horribly sad that Mr. Coy is going through the crap hes created for himself, his family and his community, not judging, but truly sad. http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/43441-what-we-can-learn-from-calvary-chapel-pastor-bob-coy-s-moral-failure, Diamond Donny wrote: He said Satan was looking to destroy people .he sure did not take his advice. But in your praying dont forget those who are at the bottom of the iceberg who are actively involved in their secret sin of choice and will continue to do so as long as theyre not found out and as long as they ignore the conviction of the Holy Spirit. I know He is not finished with them yet and I will always believe in His promises to never leave or depart from them! Martin Luthers Disciple says: So Gary, why do you bring up the Lutheran thing. He does need some time out [sorry, lol, seems funny, no pun intended] as he sets himself aside in repentance and prayer as to the Lord, but, sometimes we judge too harshly as if we know all things when it is God who knows all things. To "avoid substantial injury" to Coy's former employer Calvary Chapel according to the court file. Sin is sin regardless and it seperates us from Him. Mary! Thoughts and prayers go out to a fallen brother, his wife and children, his church family and the church leadership as they determine the scriptural course of action. Clearly some felt the news should come out right away rather than one last sunday morning coverup cum offering and they made sure that is exactly what happened. Who is Kassanndra Cantrell? I completely agree with Michelle @175. Interesting and worthy of noting: it was called CC Ft Lauderdale and was never in Ft Lauderdale but Pompano BeachHe was called to Ft. Lauderdale but never ever had a church there. Are we in the (symbolic) millennium 3. All to help him and his family get over this. Coy then moved to an even more debauched scene: Las Vegas. The kid did great for ten years until he had his own moral failing 5 years ago. Sad but true. My beef with Mac is that his version of the gospel is gospel by correct doctrine and holy living which I dont think is correct. When did I ever mention Bob Coy? Yet Andy made about 30 comments after saying it wasnt worth talking to me. Did Pastor Fidel Gomez know anything? . And dont forget that one of MacArthurs disciples, Francis Chan, is constantly preaching that American Christians are too rich and need to give it away to the world, as part of his works-based errors concerning the Gospel. But they do have these pills now. Dusty you make an excellent point. Frankly, they have been the source of the majority of the venom but I think most of us realize these are people in a sort of shock at the news, who are hurting and whose trust has been violated and are lashing out. He might have resigned but I doubt the cash flow is stopping for him. He left his youth Pastor to become Pastor. I ran my story Saturday afternoon. I know a lot of Jews who have self hatred! So how many women have you used and discarded to satisfy your lust? Why does the emphasis these days seem to be on altering The Message in a manner which appeals to the culture? There is a reason God forgives us. Abraham the father of the Jewish nation and subsequently the Christian as well was promised a son and became frustrated over time and slept with his wifes servant, regardless of tradition, which lead to the birth of Ishmael an illegitimate child and penalty was that Ishmael would become the father of the Muslim nation. The divorce file includes nearly 30 pages of documents related to their finances and settlements. http://www.charismanews.com/us/43401-confessing-moral-failure-megachurch-pastor-bob-coy-resigns-calvary-chapel-fort-lauderdale, Ok, Ill just vent then. Do you think the bottomless pit actually has a padlock? A look ahead at Blue Bloods Season 13 Episode 15. That makes at least 4 Calvary Chapel pastors that I know of that have fallen in the same way. I suspect that the laughs made him realize it worked..got more people in and maybe it became like a treadmill that you can never get off of. "He was just transparent, and he could be very funny as well. I actually do not answer yes to all your questions. As a new believer, I was being fed very well at CCFTL with Pastor Bobs teaching. Where did you ever get the idea that the millennium was to be disneyland?? The Asst Pastors are pretty weak with the exception of Bill Schott BUT he is a teacher and not evangelical. Michael, how would you feel if you are saying was known and left a cyber carbon print? Muhammad Ibn-Raqib : You are so right ! We arent saved by our actions, we arent saved by our morality, we arent saved by our correct doctrine. IMO, in many ways, this is a good thing. You give yourself a severe disadvantage by doing so, whenever you are discussing doctrine with someone. Hes completely out of Calvary Chapel and is seemingly content as a regular guy although he seems to have realigned his doctrine to something more unorthodox and writes about it often. As it is biblical to do so. #464, Unfortunately, I see this all over the place in American evangelicalism. Thank you for giving us this resource. Scary how someone can look you in the eye, while doing a sermon filled with lies. Anon I always thought it was a collaborative effort mostly with Hickling (the most knowledgeable of the bunch, based out of TN I think ) etc. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Let the rescue mission begin. "We take every allegation of abuse seriously, and our prayers are with the Coy family as they pursue redemption and healing.". Now you complain about being put into a box. Ask your leadership why they arent telling you the whole truth. Our pastor, he committed sexual immorality, habitually, through pornography. Payne had taken his case against Fort Lauderdale Police Maj. Eric Brogna to the Broward County State Attorney's Office, but prosecutors declined to press charges. Pastor Robert Coy, the former Las Vegas casino entertainment director turned religious leader for one of Florida's biggest megachurches, has been accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl. MLD, Acts 2 has nothing to do with Revelations description of the 1000 years. None. Mr. Newnham.what is your source on this? Unfinished art is never pretty. Maybe its time you give CC another chance assuming your still in the area and maybe I should take my own advise LOL, If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Sin nature is pervasive no matter who you are in church culture. Right, he didnt believe his own Bible studies. This didnt HAPPEN to him He HAPPENED to many others. MLD, again, Acts 2 isnt speaking on the truth of a literal 1000 years in Revelation. Your soteriological arrogance is nauseating. The consequences suffered by the fallen leader will be very instrumental to how the sheep, who are in this flock, respond when faced with their own similar temptations. As I read posts of support, I want to point out that there were many of us who attended this church faithfully for many years..and we were indirectly harmed by this church under this mans leadership- If you did not fit into the box you were forced out. I dont think any men are really qualified to be put up on that sort of mega-church pedestal. daughter, Oh Beacon of Insight Perhaps, if thou deemest it, A Blog to Enlighten the teeming masses in darkness lost, misled, and disillusioned Might See and hear Truth from on High Truth from on Hugh coming straight and unvarnished from He and You. Coy and family have spent much of last few days with pastors and friends in prayer and counseling. Flynn wrote: To simply read the Bible simply you would never come up with conclusions like. Why cant you have the same stop digging up peoples sin! when it comes to the homosexual community? Sounds like from John 8 that Jesus sure had sympathy for the adulterer. As Chris Rock once said, A man is as faithful as his options. Documents show that Coral Springs cops sat on the accusations for months before dropping the inquiry without even interviewing Coy. She also acknowledged the forms that made clear her refusal to be kept on a ventilator in the event of a medical emergency. The criteria for judging is that you have to be willing to be judged by the same measure! Some of the biggest anti-Semites have been Jewish! And a grim-looking assistant pastor, gripping a letter, was walking across the stage. As I said yesterday, I am sure he looked with great anticipation for each encounter rolling it around in his mind. Getting professional help gives you a partner to help you resolve these. Brother, you need a hug. "Religious leaders have a tremendous amount of power over their flock," says Scott Thumma, a professor of sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary who has studied the Calvary movement. MLD, I do believe that satan is bound with a chain of some sort. Thanks for your words. You dont have to answer that. Time to Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.2Tim 2:15. Some complained anonymously that Smith was "dangerously lax in maintaining standards for sexual morality" among his preachers. thoughts? Your cognitive dissonance is kicking in. The church should set a mechanism for those that dont know how to deal with their sin to discretely discuss it and decide how to move forward. Oh now its inappropriate!!! Keep making stuff up, friend. How was this non bodied being bound with a chain? Theres also much to say about when they began having auctions at the church. In a lawsuit, a woman named Lori Pollitt said after she had moved from Texas to Idaho to work for Kestler, he repeatedly demanded she divorce her husband, give up her children to adoption, and marry him. In fact in scripture the Lamb IS the Lion because of symbolism. Do those people have a right to know?. Ever. What do you disagree with Luther on, just for the sake of argument? The PCA is a family of churches that are doctrinally Reformed and governmentally Presbyterian. Disgusting! You are correct. When you are dealing with human resource issues at a corporate level there are legal and illegal ways to speak of a persons departure from the company. 3. It is never healthy. I did not start the Monday discussion on baptism nor yesterdays on end times. Thats a fact. I still recall your attitudes when Jimmy Kempner got exposed for solicitation of a woman for sexa woman who turned out to be undercover officer for the Tustin Police. Im not too concerned about Bob Coy right now.. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS. That is just ridiculous. Then go to the board of CCFTL and get it. Nearly 18 years on and there is still so much for the Lord to heal. Dusty, no, Steve will tell you theres nothing but good fruit and clear skies and smooth sailing. How many people attend your church, I want to make sure your crusading vendetta against CC is not born out of jealousy, for a work that God has raised up in these last days and the devil through people like you is attacking incessantly! Michael, what is your intention with this? Ixtlan, Yes I completely understand this. Jean, this went on at a large church I attended for awhile and when I questioned it I was told it was a common practice, having what they called aKings Circle. Coy, who has also been divorced from his wife, is reportedly looking into the prospect of starting a new church again despite the controversy. why do the most ardent Coy defenders have to use capital letters and too much punctuation? Am I hearing that part of fundraising project plan involved Bob and his wife putting a price on the biblical practice ( and requirement for elders) of hospitality, charging people to have dinner or lunch with them. Who is the current pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa? You dont have any morals.your life is a lie. Lets wait and see how many he harassed and pressured. Any ideas? Do not get fixated on the trashy tabloids and rumors, but try to put yourself in Bobs shoes, or his familys for that matter. I find it doubtful that one 4 yr old girl was forced to do this and it happened to not one other person when she says it happened repeatedly? So engaging with a second person right now, not interested. So my question is why was John Macarthur able to gain access to these most important crime scenes? By nature were not monogamous, observation, life and experience will readily show you this. If he keeps looking at us, Jesus followers, he will be disappointed because were all unfinished art projects. I pray that Bob would be broken over his failure as a husband, father, and pastor. The more I learn about the business of Christianity, the book deals, compensation, speaking fees, book reviews, book forwards, blogs about books (no offense Michael), radio and television shows, etc., the more I can empathize with people who have given up organized Christianity for house churches or other alternative church structures. Lets let our new folks visit and vent. He was discharged shortly after New Year's Eve, but was readmitted a few days later to Presbyterian Intercommunity Hospital in Whittier, California. needed payment. Dusty, Youre too kind. 22 IF THOSE DAYS HAD NOT BEEN CUT SHORT, NO ONE WOULD SURVIVE, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Was he ever wrong? I should not even have put that but I couldnt resist it, him and his 10 million dollar estate. Lots of supportlots of informationas well as a lot of CC nuts. I have had pets with more emotional and spiritual maturity than you. He's accused of molesting at least ten children aged 13 to 16 over several years, victimizing members of the youth group he led after taking them back to his apartment. Were still worshiping the same old gods. I still have the cassette tape. [10] The next level of givers got to have a dinner with them with more people, the next level got a buffet dinner> The next got a lunch buffet and then some got nothing. Im what you call a baby Christian. I Am His: Diane Coy. Lol, they remind me of the dwarves in The Last Battle, who couldnt see the reality of Aslans return because they were so locked up in their dark world (help yourself to the symbolism there mr. Calvins disciple, plenty there for you)! doctrine like eschatology comes up, they all come out with very strong verbiage? I especially remember the issue with the Festival of Lights display that was built, and since not being allowed to have it there, putting it in front of the church during the Christmas season. I have to think this story will only broaden in scope. John MacArthur has been and is a great man of God and a faithful servant of the same. Then all were invited up to search their hearts. Id wager something huge that Bob is not who they all think he is. She didnt want Vince to have to make the difficult decision of whether to turn off her life support, either.
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